Saturday, October 29, 2011

The Boy with the Striped Pyjamas Chapter 7: How Mother Took Credit for Something That She Hadn't Done

Instructions: Answer ONE of the following questions completely. You must COMMENT on TWO of your classmates answers, regardless of if your classmate answered the same question or not.

Question 1: In this Chapter, Bruno decides that he has to find something to do or else he will go mad. Bruno's bordeom leads him to remember a discussion with Mother of Herr Roller and the concept of war. However, Mother ends the conversation with the following: " War is not a fit subject for conversation. I'm afraid we'll be spending too much time talking about it soon." What do you think that Mother means by this comment? Do you think war is not a fit subject for conversation in this book? Why/Why not?


Question 2: When discussing LT Kotler, Bruno feels the following: "Bruno wasn't entirely sure why, but he knew that he didn't like LT Kotler. There was an atmosphere around him that made Bruno feel very cold and want to put a jumper on." Why do you think Bruno feels this way? Do his feelings foreshadow anything in the book

Question 3: At the end of Chapter 7, in Pavel's conversation with Bruno, they have the following exchange:

'Back in our house in Berlin, there was a lot of exploring to be done,'recalled Bruno, 'But then it was a very big house, bigger than you could possibly imagine, so there were a lot of places to explore. It's not the same here.'

'Nothing is the same here,' agreed Pavel.
'When did you arrive at Out-With?' asked Bruno
'I think I've always been here,' he said finally in a quiet voice.
'You grew up here?'
'No,' said Pavel, shaking his head. 'No I didn't.'

What do you think Pavel means when he says 'nothing is the same here?' Do you think Bruno understands what he means? Why/Why not?
When Pavel responds to Bruno that "I think I've always been here." What do you think he means? Why doesn't Bruno understand him?

53 comments:

  1. Chandni Shukla
    Question 3

    When Pavel says "nothing is the same around here" I think he means it in a bad way as in, it is worst here and that he doesn't have fun here. I think Bruno understands Pavel but in a different way, just like a nine year old would. The way Bruno pictures it is that he moved to a new place and it is different, so Bruno thinks he is going through the same issue as Pavel, but Pavel is going through something totally different. When Pavel says "I think I've always been here" I think he means that the period of time he has spent here has been so long almost like forever, but not forever. Bruno doesn't understand him, because Bruno has only lived in Out-with for a short period of time and because Bruno has no clue on whats going on around him here in Out-With.

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  2. Karen Sereshgi
    Question 3

    I think that when Pavel says "nothing is the same here" he means that things aren't going very well on the other side of the fence. No, I don't think Bruno understands what Pavel means, because Bruno is only nine, and he doesn't know what happens at Out-With. I think Pavel doesn't remember when he arrived in Out-With, because it was a long time ago. Bruno doesn't understand him, because like I said earlier he is still young, and he doesn't know what goes on on the other side of the fence.

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  3. Karen Sereshgi to Chandni Shukla

    I really like your comment, it is very interesting. I agree with what you said about Bruno not understanding what is going on at Out-With. How are you liking the book so far?

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  4. Question 1
    Durjaya Sharma to Dan Talangi

    What i think mother meant by " War is not a fit subject for a conversation" maybe it's because Bruno's dad is the general of the Nazi and they can go to war so she was uncomfortable with the subject or maybe something could go wrong when his dad is out there working, they could attack him or he could get killed.

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  5. Chandni Shukla to Karen Sereshgi

    I agree with what you said even though we have different opinions. I liked your thought about how Pavel doesn't like the other side of a fence and it is not going on so well there. Plus you are right about how Bruno is still young to understand, I agree with you. I have finished reading the book and I really enjoyed it, thank you.

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  6. Karen Sereshgi to Chandni Shukla

    Cool so happy u finished did u like it.

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  7. Aicha.yacoub to karen sereshgi

    i completly agree with karen's answer1 and i think the same thing about what pavel said.

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  8. Aicha.yacoub
    question3
    the way pavel says"nothing is the same here" makes me think of holocaust and i think pavel mean everything here is awful or bad and nothing was the same before, i think because before everything was perfect and everyone lived happily intell what happen did and pavel knows what his talking about,how he had been threated badly without food and drink,so he worked hard to survive.
    i liked pavel even if he lookes wierd and old,i'm pretty sure bruno thinks the same thing as me.--__--.

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  9. Karen Sereshgi to Aicha Yacoub

    I agrre with your answer about how Pavel thinks that everything there is awful. Have you finished the book yet? Did you enjoy it?

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  11. Emaan Dhrolia
    Question 3

    When Pavel say that "nothing is the same here"i think that he means that he is facing some type of problems around him and I also think that where he worked before he was not treated the same way and I also think that when he is scolded by Lt Kotler I think that is a really mean way of saying it.And also Lt Kotler is younger then Pavel.I don't think that Bruno understands,but Bruno might be thinking that Pavel also means it like how Bruno thinks it as everything is changing and remembering his friends,like a nine year old brain.

    When Pavel responds to Bruno that "I think I've always been here",I think that the few days which Pavel has lived under the commands of the soldier feels like he has been here forever,and also the way the soldiers treat them.Bruno doesn't understand him because Pavel has joined newly and so he doesn't understand

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  12. Emaan Dhrolia
    Emaan Dhrolia to Karen Sereshgi

    I like the point when you said things aren't going very well on the other side of the fence because when Pavel says that "nothing is the same here"also means that things aren't going well on the other side.And I also agree that bruno is only nine so he wont understand what he meant...

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  13. Emaan Dhrolia
    Emaan Dhrolia to Chandni Shukla

    I totally agree when you said that Bruno understands but as a nine year old.
    I also agree with the point what Pavel is facing in your opinion that he is having many trouble and says that he has been here forever even though he has not.....

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  14. Arman Dharani
    question 3
    i think he doesn't like this home or not comfortable at the home.i think Bruno doesn't understand what he is speaking,because he is just 9 years old.he means that he always work here force fully.i think he has some problems.Bruno doesn't understand because he is a small kid to know those problems.he might understand little bit of his problem's.i think Pavel wants to say that there are big problems.may be money problem.and Bruno is meeting Pavel the first time i think so.
    Arman to Emaan:
    i liked what you wrote.you gave lots of answer.it was good.
    Arman to Durjay:i think your answer was also good.it has lots of writing.

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  15. Min-Hyeok Lee
    Question 3

    I think when Pavel says 'nothing is the same here'. I think It means that it is bad and it's not funny here. And when Pavel says 'nothing is the same here' Bruno didn't understand, because he is young( nine years old),he doesn't know what happened at out-with, and he was keep asking Pavel. When Pavel responds to Bruno that "I think I've always been here." I think he mean that he was always passing here or he doesn't know when he arrived in out-with. I think because Pavel said he think he was always been here, but after he that said he didn't grew up here or he doesn't know what is going on in out-with. Also maybe he was young so he can't understand.

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  16. William Badagard
    Question 1

    I think that mother said what she said because she knows what's going on at Out-with and she doesn't like it. She knows that the holocaust will probably cause a war and I think that she feels a bit scared about what can happen to her husband. Also she doesn't want to talk about war in front of her children because it is not good for them.

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  17. Farah Nanji
    Question 2

    I think bruno feels this way because first of all he isn't very comfortable with LT Kohler. One reason is he calls him young man and Bruno hates being referred as small or young. Also the fact that he isn't like the other soldiers makes Bruno feel a bit peculiar about LT Kohler. Lastly he scares Bruno a bit which is why Bruno felt a sudden breeze and wanted to put a jumper on.

    I think that it foreshadows that something will go wrong later on in the book. Maybe since the book is about war Bruno might see LT Kohler do something very dangerous. One reason i think this is because LT Kohler is a very strong powerful person. He is the assistant of the commander. Lastly this could foreshadow that LT Kohler might be hiding something.

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  18. Farah Nanji to William

    I think that you are right about the fact that mother doesn't want to tell Bruno about out-with. I think this because he is the only one in the family who doesn't know about out-with and the holocaust. Another reason she might not want to tell him is because the whole idea of the holocaust might scare him.

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  19. Farah Nanji to Durjaya

    I totally agree with you Durjaya. Especially the part about the dad getting killed. I never thought about that but now that I do I think about how scary that must be. I think it is very interesting and very true.

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  20. Antillia Matenda to Durjaya Sharma

    I agree with you on the fact that mother may feel a bit scared because of her husband's job. I believe so because she never knows what could happen at her husband's job, or maybe mother just feels that war is not a fit subject for when children are around.

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  21. Antillia Matenda to William Badagard

    William I completly agree with you because it is true that mother doesn't know what could happen so it makes her feel a bit worried. And also since the children are still pretty young, she doesn't want them to know so many things.

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  22. Antillia Matenda
    Question 3

    I think that when Pavel says that "Nothing is the same here", I think he means the way he is treated, because I am pretty sure that where he lived before he was not treated bad. I don't think that Bruno understands what Pavel is saying because he doesn't know anything about the prisoners and the camps. Also when Pavel says "I think I think I've always been here", I think he feels that way because he's been treated badly, for example: he does not get much food or drinks and he has to work hard to live. And like I've mentioned earlier, no I do not think Bruno understands that the people with on the other side of the fence are treated badly.

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  23. durjaya sharma to lee min- hyeok

    i agree whit what you said about Bruno not understanding whit what pavel said to Bruno because he is just nine years old. and from your prespectiv i can now under stand why pavel says that "i have all ready been hear" maybe it's because might have been working whit same one else there but he boesent remember what happend. maybe same thing went wrong and he went to work whit Bruno's dad.

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  24. Emaan Dhrolia
    Finished My Book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:):):):):):)

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  25. Danyella Mulunda
    Question 3
    I think What Pavel means when he says nothing is the same is that maybe where he was before ue was being treated differentley, or meybe he left the people thet he cared about behind. No i dont think Bruno understands what Pavel means because he hasn't really found out qbout the campmor what the people are going through, including Pavel. I think what Pavel means when he says i think i've always been here is that maybe he's been suffering for such a long time that he thinks he's always been there.

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  26. Danyella Mulunda
    Comment on Emaan's comment
    Did you like the book? Did you just finish it today? I can see by all those smiley faces that you feel good about finishing it!

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  27. Danyella Mulunda
    Comment on Durjaya's comment
    I agree with you and James about Bruni not undersatnding Pavel because he is only nine. I also agree that maybe Pavel worked for someone else before even though i said that he might have left some people behind and he might have been treated differentley. I agree with both of your perspectives!

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  28. William Badagard
    Comment on Farah

    I completly agree with you because you did a good job explaining Bruno's feeling fot LT Kotler and you made me remember and think of thing that I had forgotten. For example that LT Kotler called Bruno "Little Man." And lastly, you gave many examples about how it could foreshadow something in the book.

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  29. Durjaya Sharma to Emaan Dhrolia

    Are you serious how was it bib you like the book. I am only on chapter 15 i am so doomed!!!!!!!!!!!!): ): ): ):

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  30. William Badagard
    Comment on Danyella Mulunda

    I really enjoyed your comment. It was full of examples and it made me understand a bit more in the book because you made me think of it in another perspective. I agree with that Pavel might have been forced to leave those who he cared about behind. I also agree with you about that Pavel has been suffering a lot and maybe that has made him forget or not caring about when he arrived.

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  31. William Badagard to Everyone.

    Is it just me that get a word verification whenever I want to post a comment? It's really annoying!

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  32. Lee Min-Hyeok to William

    I think you are right so I agree with your perspective about that mom didn't wanted to tell Bruno about out-with. And also I think because maybe only he doesn't know about out-with and holocaust. Or it might scare him(Bruno).

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  33. Lee Min-Hyeok to Farah

    I agree with your perspective about Bruno's feels. Because you explaned nice about Bruno's feeling fot LT Kotler. And you gave us a lot of examples about how it can foreshadow something in the book. So I like it.

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  34. Dan: I think that herr Litz means that he will teach Bruno about his origins and thee things germany had suffered

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  35. Durjaya Sharma
    Question2 chapter7

    I think Bruno does not feel comfortable around LT Kotler is because Kotler refers to Bruno as 'young man' and Bruno does not like to be called small or young.And Bruno does not like it when Kotler walks in and out from fathers office like he owns the place.

    It foreshadows that LT Kotler is bad because he ran over the dog without caring at all.

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  36. Shekinah Githinji
    Question 3

    I think when Pavel says "nothing is the same here" he means that he like Berlin better than Auschwitz and he doesn't feel comfy there.No,I don't think Bruno understands what Pavel meant because Bruno is only nine and he doesn't know what happens in Auschwitz. I think that Pavel meant he had been on the other side of the fence before he came to work for Bruno's family. Bruno doesn't understand him because he is still young and has not yet met Shmuel so he doesn't know what happens on the other side of the fence.

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  37. Shekinah Githinji
    Comment on Durjaya S.

    I agree with you that LT Kohtler is mean and it also looks like he doesn't care about Bruno. I also agree with you that he acts like he owns the house and stays there from morning to night. Later in the book he does something bad to Pavel which I will not tell you.

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  38. Shekinah G
    Comment to Antillia

    Aicha I agree with you about the fact that Pavel quite old. He also has the sad memories of being treated badly and being not cared for. It is also that before everything was quiet and peaceful before someone came up with a rumor that Jew were bad which is not true.

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  39. Chandni Shukla to Shekinah Githingi

    I really liked your answer because we have the same thoughts, only in different words. I really liked the fact that you wrote Auschwitz instead of Out-with, it really shows that you know what the book is talking about and where it is located. You are right about how not meeting Shmuel is the reason he doesn't know about Out-with.

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  40. Durjaya Sharma to Shekinah Githingi

    I realty like the point you made about liking Berlin more then Auschwitz. i also like the hypothesis you made about Pavel maybe working one the other side of the fence.

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  41. Durjaya Sharma
    Question3 chapter7

    What I think Pavel means by "nothing is the same here" I think he means it used to be much more peaceful before because there weren't a lot of soldiers around. I think Bruno does not understand because he didn't know how Pavel's life was before he started working for father. I think what he meant by "i have always been here" is that he felt bad for a long time and he couldn't do what he wanted to do since he was a child. Bruno doesn't understand because he has never experienced what Pavel is going through.

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  42. Shezlin Hemnani
    Question 2 Chapter 7

    I think Bruno feels very uncomfortable around L.T Kotler because he doesn't like it when L.T Kotler calls him "young man." I think, maybe L.T Kotler looks a little scary and suspicious. Since Bruno is only nine year old, I think he can get scared and frightened very easily. Yes, I do think there is some foreshadowing in this part because Bruno is trying to explain to us that L.T Kotler is not a nice, but mean, rude, and uncaring man.....

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  43. Shezlin Hemnani to Durjaya S.

    I agree with what you said about how Pavel feels and Bruno doesn't understand because that is exactly what I think. I also feel very sorry for Pavel for being here all his life. I think he and all the other Jews deserve a better way of living.

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  44. Shezlin Hemnani to Emaan Dhrolia

    I agree with what you said about how Pavel feels and how Bruno interprets it in the way of a nine year old brain. I think that if Bruno had just been a bit older then he would have understood what was going on at Out-With and also would have tried to help even if it meant that he would be going against his father. I wish Bruno was a bit older and understood everything and also changed everything!!

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  45. Sankara
    question 1.

    i think brunos mom meant that there was going to be a war soon. since his dad is a commandant in the army they will be hearing a lot about the war. i think war is not a fit subject in the book. bruno is to innocent he wouldnt understand and i dont think he would like his father any more.he might try to revolt agaisnt his dad.

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  46. sankara to shezline

    i also think hes really mean and scary and that bruno is scared by him

    great work

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  47. Shezlin to Sankara

    Ya he scares me too, but I like the book when everything gets scary because it makes the reader feel more interested in the book and makes you want to read/finish the book as fast as you can! I really liked the book, though the end was pretty sad! :) :(

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  48. sankara to durjaya

    I like your answer. at first i didnt get but now i do. I think bruno is to young and innocent to understand

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  49. Aicha to Danyella
    i completly agree with your comment and i think the same thing about Pavel his horrible memories and even if he's old the soldiers keep on scary him and now i think he's dead forever....-_-

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  50. Aicha to shezlin
    Shezlin i agree with your comment and how readers are interest on reading books by just looking at the cover and the title.!--!!!!

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  51. Miju
    question 3
    I think Pavel said nothing is same here, it meant there are nothing same as outside. And
    when Pavel said I think I've always been here I think he said that because maybe he forgot his memories before come here. Bruno didn't understand I think because he is too young to think hard to solve the problem. Or other else.

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  52. Saara Rajwani
    Question 2
    I think that the atmosphere around LT Kohtler is just an imagination that is connected to his feelings. Also in many other books when there are bad people (evil,villain,etc) usually all of a sudden you feel cold or get goosebumps this is another way to say that LT Kohtler is not a good person. It foreshadows that LT Kohtler might be doing something bad or is involved in something bad. This foreshadow came true because when bruno died it was LT Kohtler who was herding them up and leading him to the gas chamber.

    To Shekinah
    I agree that Bruno was to young to understand what Pavel was talking about she he said "nothing is the same here". Just want to correct you that pavel never had lived in Berlin and that he lived somewhere else and it is not mentioned in the book.

    To Sankara
    I see how you took the conversation as if a war was coming and i agree with your facts. I also agree that Bruno is too innocent to be exposed to this subject at a young age so he doesn't turn violent.

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  53. Wani Mwangu
    Question 2
    I think Bruno has a weird atmoshere with LTK because he is rude. Another reason might be because the way gretel acts around him. I think Bruno still might have the cooties so it might be wierd for him. If I will also feel weird around LTK.
    Wani to Sankara
    I think what you said about war not being a fit subject to Bruno is true. he is to fragile to talk about it. But he should know sometime about war.
    Wani to Danyella
    I think what you said was right that Bruno didn't understand what is happening in his enviroment. I think if Pavel told him he would have consequences.

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